Interview with Nancy Williams
New Book: A Matter of Destiny
By Paola Harris
This thriller is based on a true shoot down of a UFO in Brookhaven , New York by an exotic weapon as reported in J. B. Michaels’ book Alien Encounters. It is a “must read” for all serious researchers.
“I believe the people of Earth have a right to know if we are not alone in this universe, and the nature of those who have visited us. Most of all, they have a right to know about a weapon that produces a heat greater than the surface of the sun. That is too deadly to keep under wraps.”
Nancy Williams
PH: What made you do the story? Because as a woman and as a journalist, I know this kind of story can be very dangerous. Why did you take this on?
NW: I took it on because both my husband and I are ex-military. We’re both from the Air Force, my husband is retired from the Air Force and is now in defense work with the government and in that manner I was always around aircraft. Even my own father was always involved with aircraft and so forth.
PH: In any particular Air Force base?
NW: I did travel to Germany and thirteen countries while I was in the Air Force.
PH: Can you talk about where you were stationed?
NW: At McGuire Air Force Base, near Trenton NJ.
PH: There was an incident at McGuire Air Force Base.
NW: Yes, there have been a few. But I saw something over the Tolt River in the Cascade mountains around 1953 when I was eleven years old. I think the reason I got involved in this story really has to do with that incident when I was eleven. My family saw a UFO. My dad was doing work with Boeing Aircraft Company. He was an engineer with them after WWII. During the war he had been a flight instructor. I’ve been around aircraft all my life. I went in as Captain and that’s part of the reason I went into the Air Force. We saw this UFO when I was eleven years old and my dad said “You cannot talk about it, ever again.”
PH: Did you see it when you were on McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey?
NW: No, not at McGuire. But having seen the UFO at eleven years old just caused me to realize that there were other craft out there.
PH: Where was it?
NW: What happened was that I met a man by the name of J.B. Michaels. Apparently he had become aware of this incident that occurred at Brookhaven Labs in Brookhaven, NY. He was a reporter, and he decided to go in and interview. He put out a book at that time and it did not gain wide circulation, but Mr. Michaels still has his site and I think he’s out of Fresno, CA at this time. He wrote up an account of the incident. When I read his book, I was very, very moved by it and I could see that it would make a really great story, a story that apparently had not reached many people. Even though he had done all the work and had interviewed all these witnesses, so I took that story, fictionalized it, set it in a North Carolina setting because I’m now living in North Carolina with my husband, so I could write about that area…fictionalized the characters so it wouldn’t come back on me, and tell the story of what actually happened at Brookhaven, Long Island NY, in 1992.
PH: But the UFO that you saw was not in New York.
NW: The UFO I saw at age eleven was in Washington State, over the Cascade Mountains, specifically over the Tolt River. It was a daylight sighting. We saw it for over five minutes. It was a saucer-shaped vehicle that looked like it probably had portholes or windows around the lip or edge, but it was just metallic, very very plain, devoid of anything else. It was just like two plates put together, the one I saw.
PH: Was it quite close?
NW: Yes. It was less than 5,000 feet. I know that because I was around so many aircraft all my life.
PH: When you saw something that close, and in the daylight, did you think to take a photo of it?
NW: We didn’t have a camera with us. We were just out for an afternoon picnic on the river, we hadn’t taken a camera. We just stared at it. And it changed me. Because you open up to things that normally you would never think of. My dad said, “If you tell anybody, it will end your career.” So we could not talk about it. He died at age 54.
PH: When he said that, do you think he said that out of knowing something about it?
NW: Oh, he did, he said it had to be from another place because when it finally left, it left so fast he said it would be in New York City in twenty minutes. Now that’s Washington State.
PH: He wasn’t involved in any projects involving UFOs?
NW: No, he was a flight engineer with Boeing, he had nothing to do with that. I was just trying to express the idea that it opens you up to things that you would never normally have considered. So when this story came along by J.B. Michaels, and I went into English after a career in the Air Force. I was teaching first in public education and then at Tri-Community College in Robinsville, NC, and I thought to myself, you know, I want to write. But the final push was finding this story and feeling that it was a great story that needed telling. That’s the way I felt about it, so I went ahead and wrote about it. There’s a positive energy created a weapon. In order to understand this, you have to know that Brookhaven Labs at Brookhaven NY, was doing research in many areas. One such area was the collider system – accelerators.
PH: What year was this?
NW: 1992. At that time, they had a very unique system of tandem accelerators or colliders, as opposed to one huge one that was like a mile or a mile and a half around. Of course, when they use them in tandem, they can shift the atoms around in one direction and another one in another and allow them to collide at a juncture point. They hooked up what I can only describe as a shooting mechanism to redirect the energy that explodes as a result of the colliding, the quarks, into a beam. This is what they did, they created a beam called the quark gluon plasma beam.
PH: Is it a particle beam weapon?
NW: No, it’s a little bit different than a particle beam. The particle beam works on a different kind of technology. The quark is different. This is a quark gluon plasma beam weapon . On the first test firing, they ended up melting a couple miles of bedrock under them to the point where it was spongy. had to. They got that problem solved. The real crux of my story, though, and where I’m leading this, is why did they develop the weapon? In other words, what were they trying to protect us against? My whole point is, not against another country like Russia, or any country at all, but some otherworldly connection. That’s what it was all about, and that’s the shock ending of my story.
PH: You said there is a fire. Is that fictional?
NW: Oh no, the fire is the whole process on fire at Brookhaven. This is what the witnesses not only saw, by the way, there was UFO traffic that came over, four of them, one larger ship and three others. The large ship was blown out of the sky and the smaller one that hesitated was shot down over Brookhaven Park and that’s why the woods were all on fire. The other two shot straight up in to the stratosphere.
PH: Where can I get some documentation of this?
NW: From J.B. Michaels, the original author of this material.
PH: So his part is really the UFO fire, right?
NW: What he said in his story, he documents two different UFO experiences, not one. And Brookhaven was one of the two. When he talks about it, he talks about what I talked about – the fact that there were three ships that came over, that the Department of Energy fired at the largest ship and took it down, and that’s when it crashed. It was a radioactive fire, they had to send in special crews to help put it out, and they chased the regular fire department out of there. All of that is there. He had two hundred witnesses. His claim is that he had two hundred witnesses, a lot of them very afraid to talk about it because they saw the UFO and they saw it crash.
PH: I wonder what would make the UFO come in that direction.
NW: Well, the Department of Energy, according to Mr. Michaels, said that it was on a direct course for the White House and we were simply doing what any national defense system would do. If you take a fighter plane and you try to call it and say you’re off course and you’re on a direct line for the White House, you know what’s going to happen if they don’t turn around and if they don’t file their flight plan. You know what’s going to happen. The one military liaison who works at Brookhaven felt that they were on a direct line for the White House, and that we had to step up defensive measures against it. They called in helicopters that followed the UFO for some time before they went ahead and shot at it.
PH: I know that the UFO question in general is a matter of national security. I think we agree on that. But do you feel when you were writing this, that we should go ahead with this kind of technology to shoot them down, or do you think there should be some effort made to mediate or to see this phenomenon as not totally hostile?
NW: I am after the “Truth” whatever that truth is. I would simply be guessing about the alien’s intentions without knowing what the DOD and the DOE know about aliens. The government’s actions make me think that at least some of the aliens must be hostile, but that is just a guess. Maybe the government is going the right thing, maybe not. I have mixed feelings about it. Nevertheless, I believe the people of Earth have a right to know if we are not alone in this universe, and the nature of those who have visited us. Most of all, they have a right to know about a weapon that produces a heat greater than the surface of the sun. That is too deadly to keep under wraps.
PH: What message are we giving to these people from space? What communication are we using.?
NW: That’s why you should read my book, because in the story, and this is also true, a linguist was called in to try to establish communication with the aliens.
PH: Is it true then that there was one alien survivor?
NW: Yes. He was recovered and held at Brookhaven for a while. He was not at all hostile. So there are very mixed things coming out of this story. A lot of it, you’ll have to decide for yourself whether or not the government’s position, which was entirely different from the linguist who worked with this alien himself about him.
PH: Is your feeling that disclosure is important and maybe this is an opposite view of what we should be doing on planet Earth?
NW: Exactly. And I feel that this is a story that everybody has to wrestle with. First of all, the general population out there needs to see first that there are people out there. We have to open our minds to it. We just can’t keep going on. And believe me, as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t destroy your faith if you have a faith or a religion. It doesn’t destroy it at all. It just opens your eyes. We’ve got to make that transition to where we’re aware of that. Secondly, I think we have mixed messages. We need to look at all that. I’m not saying that one is right versus another. There are two very distinct, opposite messages in my book. Loving vs. they’re hostile, we have to do something about it. This is something for the readers to decide. I wanted to bring out both and I think I did that in my novel.
PH: You feel the need to tell this story, but obviously since you’re in the military, there must be somebody that wants this story out, or you would not be telling it, right?
NW: Right. I sort of feel that the only two people around who really want this story out is me and JB Michaels. I really do. We’re the two people who have carried the banner from the very beginning.
PH: Has anybody counseled you not to do it?
NW: No, but I used my own judgment on that. It’s part of the reason why I fictionalized the actual story.
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