Interview With Contactee Roberto Vargas De La Gala by Paola Harris
August 15, 2016 with the help of interpreter Giorgio Piacenza
Roberto Vargas De La Gala: it would be fantastic I would love to meet you.
Paola Harris:
I have been doing this kind of work, doing this kind of research which is valid research on the Peruvian Contactees from the 1970’s.
RDV:
Excellent, good, in my case, in reference to myself. I had the opportunity to have these experiences; this occurred in the South of Peru which is frontier of Chile, Bolivia and the Pacific Ocean.
Paola:
I know your experiences were in 1993 and 1994 because I had read what had Giorgio written.
RDV:
Actually the first physical contact occurred the 26 of November of 1994, in the Plains of Vicuya, in an area called Chuschuco. In Spanish Chuschuco means,”The Place Where Light Passes.”
Paola:
OK, I am going to ask about that experience, but I do not believe people are contacted, that late. Can you remember anything as a child that you can bring to understand that this was part of your destiny.
RDV:
Yes, Three months before my mother passed away. She reveal quite a few things that occurred during her pregnancy and before my birth.
Paola:
Can you talk about that?
RDV:
My mother told me that as soon as she was pregnant she knew that the pregnancy would be quite difficult. Though, she knew that she needed to sustain my existence and she tried with all the methods their were to maintain her pregnancy. She also told me that she had an opportunity to see a brilliant star that flew by, and she felt that she had to continue with the pregnancy and I should be born.
Paola: Is this part of the birth process or was it before he was born?
RDV:
My mother told me that immediately after she was expecting me, she said, her pregnancy was very difficult. My mother was on the verge of losing me, and at the point she saw the lights-star and she felt she had to do everything possible to maintain the pregnancy.
Inclusive my mother in the last 5 years recently disclose this information, so it would not interfere with my life. There was an occasion for her to see her husband, there were many sightings of lights flyng be at Port of Ilo. Though, she never spoke to me about this, until I started to talk to her about my experiences, she listened, by never made a comments in reference to my experiences until right before her death. Which was three months before her death were she started to disclose to me all the details, at the point she started to inform me all the things that occurred to me when I was a child.
Paola:
Did she call them meteorites or (shooting) stars.
RDV:
No. I wanted to comment, at the Port of Ilo where I was born, there is an energetic corridor where you’re able to see these lights, fly-by. Also there is a beach located there in this area named Picota where you can find stones that have inscriptions that the ancient people inscribed with Ufos and distinct individuals. Directly from this beach, this corridor leads directly south to Micuya where Chuschuco is located, this route goes to Puno, by Lake Titicaca.
Paola:
Alright, we are talking Peru always right?
RDV:
Yes!
Paola:
So when you were a child do you remember seeing these lights or do you remember specific dreams that you had or anything?
RDV:
I am glad you asked because, when I was 7 years old, I saw a for the first time in a Tv Channel that had in (City) Ilo, were they broadcasted ufos on this Tv Channel which was titled, Continental in the region of Arequipa and still exists in Arequipa. Which close to Ilo and Southern Peru. This was an half hour film of these ufo sightings of more than seven crafts that flew by.
RDV:
I was 7 years old, though my life has always been of a peaceful personality. I don’t smoke or drink alcohol, nor do I party a lot. I have always lived a methodic lifestyle.
Paola:
So your life has been pure?
RDV:
Everyone that knows me can attest to that. If anyone analyzed me after Contact Experience they will not notice a change or a radical shift, because, I have always been this way.
Paola:
OK so, what Spiritually did you believe before the Contact Experience. How old were you when your first had the Contact Experience?
RDV:
I always believed in the existence of a superior God, since childhood.
I had a reverence for God without knowing who God was. I truly believed they helped me when I needed it most. I also come from a hardcore, deep-rooted Catholic family.
But that has not defined my lifestyle, because, I currently am certified collegiate public accountant and I do not make a living as a Contactee.
Paola:
How old were you when you had your first Contact.
RDV:
I was 36!
Paola:
You see, I suggest you look at your life before that, because you can’t just have a contact at 36 and not have any indication that this was going to happen before then.
RVD:
OK, there was a previous experience when I worked as a dispenser for Coca-cola.
Paola:
So did you have a near death experience?
RDV:
No, This was a traffic accident that took place on a Saturday, in April of 1994. From this accident I was the only person that was unharmed.
Paola:
Did you go into a coma or something?
RVD:
It was a very bad accident. I was unharmed. There were two other female employees behind me, they were cut and bruised. A small bus hit us and at that moment I saw myself from above. Like floating above the car. I saw how the roof of the car formed into what looked like a triangle. The car windows broke, but nothing happened to me. The driving wheel did not get close to my body.
Paola:
So what you had was an out of body experience!
RVD
Yes, but there was another important detail that happened earlier when I went to Chile for a postgraduate course. Part of the course was to study Silva Mind Control
Paola:
The Silva Mind Control
RDV
Yes, I learned how to relax myself and get out of my body. It was just necessary to learn for my employment.
Paola:
Did you meditate at that time. You must of been in your 20’s & 30’s?
RVD:
No, I did not meditate, I only practiced the relaxation method, due to this postgraduate course that I had to take.
Paola:
Does you realize that, I mean, that this, was all dictated by somebody so that you could have the contact. In other words, this was the pre-program before the contact, does you realize this now?
RDV:
Now I do, but not then, because, I was very dedicated to my profession, that was the source of my livelihood.
Paola:
OK, So now we can fast forward to what happened to you with your first contact.
RDV:
Thank you.
Paola: I don’t speak Spanish I speak Italian
RVD: Oh, … buon giorno
Paola: Buon giorno, buon giorno
RDV:
It was such a emotional experience that even now when I talk about it, I relive it, and I can not help but feel all those emotions once again. I have not told this story before, because, I thought this was a common and occurred in other cases.
OK, 26 of November 1994 and we were going to this place, using the same car which I had the accident.
There were four of us that went together to this place, since we all shared the same dream.
On our way to this place the car broke down and we started walking towards this place.
At that time I did not know of the repercussions this experience would bring to our lives. Especially among the persons that would then become part of my family.
That’s why we went innocently, we had no idea what was going to happen and had no support from anyone, regarding this journey that we were about to undertake. OK, so once we arrived at this desired location of Chuschuco, it behooved me to lead the relaxation because I was the only one who had knowledge to do so through the course I had taken in Chile.
We need to be aware that on that same month the Peruvian Army together with NASA had cornered out an area Chuschuco to prepare for the upcoming Solar Eclipse was going to be clearly visible from that area in 1994. After the Contact experience, will learned that NASA had measured with it’s equipment an unusual type of energy in that area. Nasa had stay there for an entire month.
Paola:
I need to interrupt you for a minute because the logical conclusion is that NASA is interested in this kind of anomaly.
RDV:
Now, I can understand.
Paola: OK
RVD:
So at the experience in Chuschuco. We were sitting with our eyes closed facing the 4 directions cardinal points of north, east south and west.
Paola:
Were you sitting in the middle, or where were you sitting in one of the directions?
RDV:
I was sitting on the East, and the others, on the other directions. Then suddenly with my eyes closed I felt as if someone was shining a bright light at my face. Then this brilliant light started to shine very intensely more so than the first time.
Paola:
On his forehead he keeps pointing too, right?
RDV;
As though as if someone was shining a fluorescent light at my forehead.
Paola: On the forehead, OK
RDV:
So I decided to grab my companions flashlight, because, I thought someone was trying to play a trick on me. After a while, I started feeling a pressure on my forehead, felt heat on the back of my neck and also felt some dizziness. Once again, this brilliant light started to shine even more intensely than earlier. At that point, I opened my eyes and I saw on my right side at a close distance to where we were sitting a silver bell that was floating in mid air, emitting yellow and red lights.
Paola:
You said, if I remember; it was like a rosy, orange light around it.
RDV:
Yes, Silver bell with lights. I don’t know why if it is because of the energy, or the mix of things, that just remembering makes my body shake.
Paola:
I understand.
RDV:
Suddenly from this silver colored bell a beam of intense brilliant intense light kind of bluish in color that shot-out from the top of the silver bell and towards my right, forming a energetic, pulsating half moon or dome. The is the most extraordinary thing that I saw at that moment visual through this brilliantly, lit dome was a pair of boots, then calves, knees, hips, abdomen, then a body and then a face. It was remarkable to see that this being was not stepping on the ground. My heart began to race.
Paola:
I know, because I’ve been through, I’ll talk you later about seeing Antarel at Mount Shasta. But, could you see the hair, or other features?
RDV:
Yes, long, straight, platinum hair, he was tall, high cheekbones, big almond shaped gray eyes, big hands.
Paola:
OK his eyes were big, but, did he have a pleasant and peaceful expression?
RDV:
He transmitted a lot of peace.
Paola: OK
RDV:
And behind his another person.
Paola: So there is two?
RDV Yes, there were two. So they began walking towards me, without their feet touching the ground.
Paola:
Did the other person look just like him, with the white long hair?
RDV:
Yes, only the names were different. One of them was named Godar, who was about 2 meters and half/
8 feet tall. The other being was named Antar.
Paola:
OK, Now are we looking at Antar being Antarel?
RDV: No
Paola: It’s not the Antarel that Ricardo did see?
RDV:
No, it is not the Antarel Ricardo knows. I have met Antarel in person but it was a different being.
Paola:
OK, you knew Antarel in person at the age of 36 before or after?
RDV:
No afterwards, I met the other contacts.
Paola:
OK, So you saw these two men floating before you, so how did you react?
RDV:
I felt paralyzed, to say I wasn’t scared would be a lie.
Paola:
Yes, I understands!
RVD
He came close me and bowed, then crossing his hands on his chest, then touched my head.
I noticed what looked like a light on his head, but, I also noticed what seem to be a large belt with buttons. From this belt he pressed on a button, which shot a beam of light that went directly to my stomach/solar plexus and it paralyzed-stopped all those sensations that were causing me to shake. This beam of light in an instance calmed me down. If you want an comparison to this sensation, it was similar to when I held my son in my arms for the first time. .
Paola: OK
RVD:
At that instance I felt I have always known this being floating in front of me and I also felt at that moment in time that I was aware of everything. Which was similar to when I held my son in my arms for the first time.
Paola:OK
RVD:
He mentally began to speak to me because I asked him his name. He told me he came from the Planet Apu. To make things short; I was told that, “human beings learn through imitation.” I recently learned that these words were to be true in the last few years. This being began explain to me, that, this close encounter was due to a mission given to them by their mentors. Though, that I had the Free Will to stop it if I wanted.
Paola:
Now this is Godar, that is speaking to you right?
RVD:
Yes. There is a detail that is important that I should mention. I tried to memorize what he was trying to tell me, by using the,” Silva Mind Control.”
Paola: The “Silva Mind Control.”
RDV:
That was the first time I really valued what I had learned with that method.
Paola:
OK, I want to interrupt you for one minute, I know for sure that they are very calculating on who they pick and who they speak too, because, of what they expect from the person.
RVD:
Yes, I’ve most recently come to that conclusion.
Paola:
In English they say they pick the people who can “give them, the most bang for their buck!” I don’t know how to say it, but they picked me, because they knew I was going to do something.
RVD:
Yes, I can tell you that my concept of life was radically changed.
I ask you to not reveal this publicly, after this experience his children are different.
Paola: that’s logical.
RVD: But I want to tell you this is private.
Paola: No, no I won’t put it anywhere, but that’s logical. What does he noticed that are different about his children, or his grandchildren are different?
RVD:
Since they were very small they were telepathic, clairvoyant, and ability to see with touch with the hands and feet. They also had a great sense of smell. They have the ability to touch with the hands and the feet.
Paola:
Can I ask you if you close your eyes, can you see images, can he see through his eyelids?
RVD:
Thank you for the question, I hope I can respond to your question. Occasionally, I can see people’s auras with my eyes open. But I can tell this occurred after my first encounter, as if it activated.
Paola:
Can you see with his eyes, are closed can he see the scenery around him?
RVD:
Yes, but, not very often. Though, in the last 4 years almost 5. I am giving Aura Readings about 1200 of them.
Paola: How old are you?
RVD: 58
Paola:
Tell him, I am 71.
RVD: Oh!
Paola:
Go back not to your moment of contact, because they had a message, they were not there on vacation.
RVD:
Yes, of course. OK, the messages has been given to me through many experiences gradually over the years.
RVD:
Through the first contact experience, the message was that,”Humans learn through imitation,” and that they were carrying on a purpose given by their mentor. They insisted that I had to be reborn. Because, within humanity their was a higher purpose and because of that, it was very important that I change the way I thinking, my feeling, my way of acting, my way of eating changing many things. Because the right conditions would then take place for further encounters or approaches to continue. I need to be honest, but, but I do not remember anything else about that contact.
Paola:
Was it telepathic or could you hear their voices?
RVD:
No, on the first encounter, I felt the voice in my mind (telepathic).
Paola:
And at other times did you actually hear the voice in person?
RVD:
Yes, but it does not sound like human beings.
Paola:
OK, what I heard Antarel, when the voice it sound to me like a radio transmission.
The voice sound like a computer generated voice, not human. Like when you a computer voice.
Like a robotic voice?
RVD:
I can’t tell you if it sounded like a robot, because, I don’t know how a robot sounds?
Paola:
Was it like he was hearing a transmission on the radio through a loudspeaker?
RVD:
More like when an American speaks to me in Spanish.
Paola:
OK, So it’s was more like a tonality what they’re saying. But it was always Spanish?
RVD:
The only thing that I was able to hear with my ears, was a drawn-out “Hola!”
Paola:
I know, well I heard. Thank you in English.
RDV: They can speak in any language
Paola:
Yes, so when they said, “Humans learn by imitation.
Does he now at his age knows, he has to be a role model and not be preaching or give a lectures.
RVD:
Yes, as in example, if you give lectures and you’re not living it, you are not going to reach the people.
Paola:
OK, Bravo! What else do you want to say about the first encounter, what else would you like to transmit to people.
RVD:
OK, that they of somehow need us. Because they know that we have a great potential that we have not discovered yet. Or if we had discovered this potential we have manage to let it go or perhaps it is dormant within us. What they are interested in is that we shift,makes changes for on our own. And not to depend on other persons, lectures or books, because, everyone has their own potential that we must discover within us this,”real feelings.” Where there is eternal, spiritual, love.
Paola:
I got it, , this is a very personal statement that they give you. Do they also have an agenda for the Paradigm on the Planet.
RDV:
I have come to know after several dialogs with them. I do know they have a plan, an objective a purpose. If I could summarize it, is that, human beings, we have the innate possibility to make a change-shift. This is like a promotion through stages. They won’t allow only one small group of person’s to be ready and shift. They want to continue this gradually over time.
This shift has process has already occurred throughout human history. This process has been ongoing.
We are not really doing things as we are suppose to be doing things as a humanity. Regardless, they know that “real feeling,” is an important key!
Paola:
The feeling is one of love, peace and acceptance is that right, that is basically the feeling?
RDV:
That “real feeling,” is a connection that is has been deposited within us for eons, in order to unravel and decode from our DNA. There are various conditions which are elements like peace, on the other things you mention are just part of it. These are conditions that can propitiate the unraveling of this shift.
Because the DNA is returning to it’s origins and now functioning with the “real feeling.”
Paola:
Now, from what I understand it can’t be just few people to bring all of humanity with us right?
RVD:
All of humanity has this innate ability to make this connection. Though, not all are on the same frequency/ level of awareness.
Paola:
So does this have to do with the evolution of human consciousness?
RVD:
I was say yes, but, there is more than that! Because, not even they have a clear notion of what we are capable of. That’s what they say!
Paola:
OK, So you have this first encounter, were you the only one of the four to have it?
RVD:
No, we were four! But just two of us encountered these two beings that were in front of us. But after that the four of us continued to have experiences. They would give us instructions and guidelines each time we met with them.
Paola:
OK, so is it always a dream and they give them a location, is that how it works?
RVD:
No, only the first time it took place through a dream.
Paola:
How does it work now?
RVD:
Now, it’s simply achieve through meditation, and if they give a guideline then we go out. Part of this information that was transmitted is in one of the books, that I wrote. Another companion also wrote a book.
Paola:
And of course they not written in English so can’t read anything .
RVD:
Yes, that’s a limitation.
Paola:
Yeah, when is the last time you physically saw Godar, and when did you see Antarel, I’m interested?
RDV:
The last time I saw Godar was in 2004.
Paola:
Oh, OK!
RDV:
Because of the things that they always said, was, we have to avoid to depend on them.Because it was take for humanity to flourish. To do the things we felt was right, it was time for us to learn to discern.
Paola:
Discernment! OK, so how many times, have you physically seen Godar?
RVD:
Well, about 5 times.
Paola: OK, about 5 times
RDV:
It’s not like it’s an everyday occurrence.
Paola:
OK, yeah, so does is always appear in a craft in an isolated area or does he appear in a room?
RDV:
He has appeared in the Inca remote….
Paola:
Where, I can’t understand?
RVD:
The Inca remote system called Capatiyan in Peru
Paola:
Alright.
RDV:
He just materialized, he appears at this place physically before me. Not in a room but outside on this Inca road.
Paola: OK
RVD:
Godar’s personality is direct and precise, he doesn’t beating around the bush..
Paola:
OK, So you can be walking down this road and you see him, it isn’t that you have to first see the ship?
RVD:
Yes, I don’t necessary have to see the ship first to see them. It’s easier in the mountains because the environment is not as contaminated.
Can you hear me better. Is there still interference?
Paola: Yes, there is a lot of interference it’s best you move away from the computer.
RVD:
OK, in spite of their technology, they also suffer during these contact experiences with us-humanity. I came to realize that, they also have to prepare, just like we do, with the proper thinking, feeling, dieting, limitation, healthy lifestyle, all that. They are in a different frequency, a different reality,
Paola:
They were in a different frequency. So was that part of your experience the Zendra?
RDV:
They had to adapt.
Paola:
They had to adapt, OK!
RVDI have never seen a Zendra as clear as the same as the first one.
I have been in other encounters with other beings, but, I have never seen a dome of light so clearly defined as the first time/encounter.
Paola:
OK, so now my question is about Antarel.
RDV:
I can only tell you something personal, it was in January 21st, 2004 in Cusco. I found myself in Lagoon called Cancan located next to a Mountain called Pitusiray at 4200 meters above sea level. He was with his wife Kandy who at the time was only a friend.
So I was coming from the Tacna, which about 100 meters above sea level. Afterwards at about 18:00 hours, I was walking at 4200 meters above sea level. We had to go to the mountain Sahuasuray that is about 5800 meters above sea level. I remember this experience with gratefulness, gratitude, and emotion. According to the messages received, they told us that, inside that mountain there was nanomedicine, nanotechnology, agricultures, nano communication technology, reserved for the future from a civilization that lives there.
From a civilization that still lives inside that mountain. Something I can talk you about later.
Paola:
You get these messages in your mind, right?
RDV:
Through psychographic-automatic writing. So we hired a guide to climb the mountain at 3:00AM.
Paola: Really at 3:00 in the morning
RDV:
I came from the coast(sea level) for me it was to much effort to be able to climb.
But, I listened to that Call. At 4:00AM this guide that we hired, abandoned us.
Paola: Oh no!
RDV:
This guide abandoned us in the middle of this jungle, on this mountain.
Paola: Now when you say us, was Kandy with you?
RDV:
Yes! So at that point Kandy and I decided to wait for sunrise. And with the first sunrays of the sun. I asked for guidelines through, psychographic- automatic writing. Through this communication received, they told me that I should keep ascending and along the way, I would receive two assistants will appear that would help. At 10:00AM a peasant appeared. Who grabbed my large backpack and we continued climbing- up until noon. Otherwise, without this peasant’s help, I would not be able to continue this climb.
Paola: OK
RDV:
And that’s where this peasant left us. So I grabbed my backpack and we continued climbing. Since the first promised help had manifested, this motivated us to continue ascending.
So after two hours a peasant woman appeared with her child who was about 10 years old. She gave her daughter the backpack and she was able to help us with the climb up the mountain. And they took us to the Cancan Lagoon, at the feet of the mountain Pitusiray which is a feminine mountain in contrast with the Sahuasairay mountain which is masculine. They left us there and promised to return the following day. That next day, at 5:00 or 6:00 AM the peasant woman returned. She guides us up the mountain without the backpacks.
Paola: OK
RVD:
But there were times where my ears pulsating due to the high altitude. I realized, I could not continue to climb any further. Though, I reach 4,400 meters in altitude with this assistant.
Paola:
So is 4,400 meters is that like 10,000 feet
RVD:
It’s about 13,200 feet
Paola:
Now that’s higher than Machu Pichu!
RDV:
Macho Picho, is only about 2,400 meters which is about 7,900 feet.
Paola: OK go ahead, I don’t know how you did it!
RDV:
So then young girl and Kandy make the climb. While, I remained there. I have never seen snow, nor a condor fly by in the physical. So I was marveled looking at everything around me. Suddenly, I started to feel that my feet were very cold. The snow was filtering in through my shoes. So I decide to seek for refuge. I noticed a large rock that had a large opening so I sat inside and I began to meditate. After a while, I began to hear what sounded as if someone was walking on water. At that instance I opened my eyes and stuck my head-out above this cave like rock; there was no one there. This sound took place a couple of times. On the third time, the sounded deepen as I heard those footsteps on water, this time it sounded very close to me, so I stuck my head-out, only to see a being that had appeared in front of me a being that was about 2 meters in a half tall. And he bends over towards me, I am about 6’2” but I was sitting.
Paola: So he bends inside the cave?
RDV:
No, he was standing outside the cave. Though, I don’t know why he bent down to look at me. He smile at me, so, I started to communicate with him. I wanted him to know that I was not pleased that I was not able to reach the objective that we had planned. There was detail worth mentioning. I felt the same pressure on my forehead, on the back of my neck, my head and dizziness.
Paola:
Did this guy look like the others did he have blonde straight and almond eyes?
RDV:
He looked athletic with shoulder length blonde hair, he looked Nordic.
Paola: So was he more athletic looking than Godar?
RVD: I would say they had similar builds. If it was not for the different names, I would think they were the same being.
Paola:
Did you ask his name or did mentally you get his name, how did you get his name?
RVD:
He gave me his name. I would like to let you know, that, because I was a man, I could not have been able to climb any higher. I had the responsibility to preserve the life of my companion. Antarel responded that the objective of this invitation has already been accomplished. Antarel said, what they were evaluating was something very important to them. At the same time this was also very important for us. Which is known as the “disposition.” Disposition which is not equal to a call when you are comfortable and the timing is right, but when it is not comfortable.
Paola:
What it is, is a reaction to this invitation!
RVD:
I don’t understand.
Paola: in other words he said yes, to an invitation.
RVD:
I said, yes, under difficult circumstances;. that’s what they were evaluating!
Paola: Yeah, but your girlfriend said, yes even more, because she went to the top, right?
RVD:
She is from Cusco.
Paola:
Oh yes, she is used to the altitude.
RDV:
No, it was all mental. We just spoke mentally back and forth. But, I believe he came to my rescue, because, I wasn’t feeling good. But, he also told me the objective to all this was for Antarel to transmit the name a larger cave that transpired in March of that year. And I ask Antarel, if was the little girl and Kandy would make the climb without any difficulties. Antarel responded yes they would be able to make the climb and that they would descend without difficulty and not to worry. Everything happened exactly as Antarel had said.
Paola: Have you seen Antarel since that particular time?
RDV:
No, I have had experiences with other beings since then. I must repeat, they have always emphasized that there should not be any kind of dependencies even with them.
Paola: Interesting
RDV:
That we need to discover for ourselves, our own purpose why we are here.
Paola: Thank you so much, for taking the time for giving all these details. I know you’re tired. I am going to talk to you some other time in person. I would like to know to close, what do you think the purpose of the contact is today in 2016. So we can end with that. What is your life, like, what is that you want people to know.
RDV:
This year in 2016 is particularly a very special year for me. First because they announced to me, that I had to initiate a series of journeys abroad. Taking advantage of the profession I work I am able to travel abroad. So I had the opportunity to travel to many different countries in Latin America. So the message that I am sharing, is that we as human beings, have a role a purpose, a mission and a objective in life, which not just birth, grow-up, study, eat, and work. Each one of us, as humanity there is a higher purpose instilled in us. A superior purpose that help us transform ourselves internally. If we were able to get in contact with that “real feeling,” then there will be a shift in our way of thinking, our emotions, in our way of thinking, in our attitudes, in our words. That we do not need to do things that are extraordinary or unusual, but to live in a natural way. Because what we are able to understand has a quantum effect. When we change something within us, they say there is a cosmic link, a cosmic connection. By which we affect not just change our past but also change the future. Because our DNA is multi transdimensional. We are able to activate is received in other dimension but by our own means. Because we have come from future.
Paola: We come from the future or they do?
RVD:
I am going to explain a little bit. These Apuna beings, say that they live as eternal present. That they have a past, which they can go travel and visit, but they cannot modify, which cannot be done regardless, because, it is not allowed. So we asked them, “if you have an eternal present and a past, does humanity have a past?” Paola, what do you think they answered?
Paola: Yes. It is an illusion the past.
RDV:
That’s valid. But they say,” that Humanity has lives an eternal future present”.
Paola:
This is very difficult to wrap my mind around that. So what we do today is really the future?
RDV:
Yes, they emphasize, that it is important for us to understand,” that humanity lives an eternal future present.”
Paola:
So what they are saying is, if we act to today evolved, as we will be in the future, it is the future.
RDV:
What is going to happen is the future eventually will get better, but we are us them in the future and they are us in the past. This is why sometimes we cannot find each other physically that easily.
Paola:
They are us in the past?
RDV:
We are their past and we are their future.
Paola: OK that’s easy. In other words they are the evolved version of us in the future.
RDV:
Because, it that future. So they only beings that can live in peace, love and justice; here in our present human reality, here now, is them coming into their past. To give you an example it is like you came to Peru, you would learn the local Quechua language or Imara. But you will also speak in English, because you already know how to speak English. This concept is important to be able to connect with the”real feeling.”
Paola:
OK, they are the ideal version of us.
RDV:
The objective is, they are us, and we should be our best.
Paola:
in other words you’re talking about an instant connection that we have them. That they are us and should be at our best.
RDV:
The connection is outside of time. They are us and we are them. If we improve, they improve. Humanity is not doing the things right.
Paola:
I understand that, I understand that! This is just one group of Extraterrestrials that is visiting the planet right now and that is what I am studying right now.
Yes, well most of my personal experiences had been with these Apunas, which we can say they are situated at a 5th dimensional of consciousness. I had not had experiences with Extraterrestrial beings on a 3rd or 4th level of consciousness, they would probably have different feelings, different thinking etc.
Paola:
So you meet the people you like, is that what you are saying?
RDV:Yes, always. Like us right now, we met because we are resonating. After my first experience with them everything changed including my friends, my readings changed, my life changed.
Paola:
I am just curious did you become a vegetarian.
RDV:
Yes, soon after, like two weeks later.
Paola:
OK , that I very grateful for everything he said, and that I have to digest it all.
RDV:
OK, I am very grateful to you, this is a great opportunity that you have given me.
Paola:
This is off the record, but how do you resonate with Sixto Paz and all the other Rahma groups, Charlie, Ricardo, Luis Fernando, Enrique the whole gang. How do you see yourself, are you apart from those guys.
RDV:
I do know them. I know Sixto, I know Ricardo, I know Luis Fernando.
Paola:
What about Charlie, because, I just did an interview he is Veronica. She see’s Godar in the Canadian Forest. So what do you think, are you all in sympathy, do you talk.
RVD:
No, since I’ve had my experiences in Tadna, I follow the instructions that they have given me. I live here in Lima, but, I have always maintain my own form, path, according to the guidelines.
Paola:
Are you part of Rahma?
RDV:
Yes, I participate in Rahma, but I do not follow their instructions that they are following.
Paola:
OK, I understand.
RDV:
Rahma, I respect what they do.
Paola:
I appreciate that. I am trying to put the puzzle together.
RVD:
OK , that is interesting. In principle; I continue working in my profession. I also help kids in a project called Eco narrow kids. I don’t live from my contact experiences.
Paola:
I am doing the same thing, because, obviously, I have contact too. And number one, I am a journalist and I do my job.
RDV:
I congratulate you. For me it is a great joy and privilege to count with your friendship. Also, I am grateful for you to allow me to tell others about my experiences.
Paola:
This interview will be mainly in Italy, in the X-Times Magazine.
I want you to know that in Shasta, the message was a simple one from Antarel,
“He said, If you will lead, we will maximize your efforts.”
RDV:
Be aware what they say, they do!
Paola:
It’s work!
RDV:
In my contact work, my trajectory in life. I prefer to work silently, not visibly, because, I’ve taken in consideration their advise against dependencies. One of the tasks that they are assigned me to do, is, to start working with the children.
Paola:
Perfect, that’s a whole other interview.
RDV: Agreed!
.
