Interview by Paola Harris
March 5, 2005
“When it comes to the nature of time, physicists are pretty much at as much of a loss as the rest of us who seem hopelessly swept along in its current. The mystery of time is connected with some of the thorniest questions in physics, as well as in philosophy, like why we remember the past but not the future.”
The issues raised by time travel says this New York Times Article “are connected to these questions. Dr. Lawrence Krauss, a physicist at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland and author of the book “The Physics of Star Trek,” said. “The minute you have time travel you have paradoxes,” Dr. Krauss said, explaining that if you can go backward in time you confront fundamental issues like cause and effect or the meaning of your own identity if there can be two of you at once. A refined theory of time would have to explain, “How a sensible world could result from something so nonsensical?” “That’s why time travel is philosophically important and has captivated the public, who care about these paradoxes,” he explained. At stake, said Dr. David Z. Albert, the philosopher and author of his own time book, Time and Chance, is “what kind of view science presents us of the world.”
Jack Sarfatti in one of his many emails to his Sarfatti Physics Seminar groups added this research data. “It was nearly two decades ago when science fiction media (TV, film and novels) began to adopt traversable wormholes, and more recently “Stargates,” for interstellar travel schemes that allowed their heroes and heroines to travel throughout our galaxy. Little did anyone outside of relativity physics know but that in 1985 physicists M. Morris and K. Thorne at CalTech had in fact discovered the principle of traversable wormholes right out of Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (GTR, published in 1915). Morris and Thorne (1988) and Morris, Thorne and Yurtsever (1988) did this as an academic exercise, and in the form of problems for a physics final exam, at the request of Carl Sagan who had then completed the draft of his novel Contact. Sagan wanted to follow the genre of what we call science “faction,” whereby the story’s plot would rely on cutting-edge physics concepts to make it more realistic and technically plausible. This little exercise ended up becoming one of the greatest cottage industries in general relativity research – the study of traversable wormholes and time machines. Wormholes are hyperspace tunnels through space-time connecting together either remote regions within our universe or two different universes; they even connect together different dimensions and different times. Space travelers would enter one side of the tunnel and exit out the other, passing through the throat along the way.”
This concept of time-travel and the discussion of the Philadelphia experiment always came up in our conversations with Colonel Corso author of The Day After Roswell. I was always curious about this so when I happened to run into Al Bielik at the Laughlin UFO Congress, I had my own questions to ask. This is the text of what he said. It connects to the discussion of Dimensional portholes and opening up of a dimension to cause the visits of several ET craft and maybe Balls of Light craft. The idea of transporting consciousness from one physical body to another as Al Bielik claims happen to him, is very controversial but worth the study. It is also interesting that he says Tesla coils were involved and that Einstein was aware of this. This becomes one of our future challenges in Ufology: to understand Time, Time Travel, “fast maneuvering” craft or “Fastwalkers” and maybe to design a “New Physics!”
The Philadelphia Experiment and Time Travel
Interview with Al Bielek
March 2005, Laughlin, Nevada
Paola: What was the Montauk Project?
Bielik: That was a project that appeared between 1975 and 1983. It collapsed and was resurrected in 1987. The German scientists, who came over, under Operation Paperclip, ran it. They worked for twenty years at Brookhaven National Laboratories and they were kicked out of there about 1967. While looking for a new home, they heard about Montauk and the projects out there and they went out there. At that time it was still operated by the U.S. Military Air Force. They were doing the research for [the] SAGE radar project: Over-the-Horizon radar (OTH). When they got through with the testing and they were in the process of shutting them down, the German scientists heard about it. The German scientists said, “We would like to do some further research. We’d like to show you how to do things, like win the next war by pushing a button.” The military were very interested. So the scientists came in and the Military packed up and left and they were there from 1968 until 1983, when it collapsed and was resurrected for a few years in 1987 by the same German scientists, until the Air Force took it over 1991. In taking it, the Air Force was concerned with the Hale-Bop Comet problem. They knew about it before Dr. Hale and Dr. Bop ever knew about it and they were doing the work to defect it, which they did do, successfully. The Air Force project – “Project Sky Pebbles” was the official name – closed down in 1998 and the Navy came in and took over about the summer of 1998 and they are there still, in the underground. They cleaned off almost all of the old buildings, with the exception of the radar tower, and cleaned it up and it is a park now. So Montauk Point, on the surface, is a park. Underground, it is still a military base, being used for the Navy, and nobody knows for what and nobody that I know of, at this point, has any knowledge of what they were doing and why they are there at the present time. A group of civilians are working for them and have their own separate housing village.
Paola: The Montauk Project has to do with time travel, right?
Bielek: It had to do with time travel and mind control. The Montauk boys came out of there originally and they were moved off that base to another area down under, all connected with every major city in the US and major cities in Europe.
Paola: You know I need to ask you this because I have to. How are you privy to this information? How do you know?
Bielek: Because I was part of it. I was part of the Montauk Project and I was a major part of the Philadelphia Experiment. I worked for the Montauk Project for a number of years. I was a civilian. Originally, they put in the SAGE system: 28 radar towers around the periphery of the US and, as they went to the next phase, which was a higher-powered system (Bemus Project), they could pick up a missile launched in Russia as it left the ground.
The tower on Long Island remained completely operative after the Military pulled out and the Germans took it over to build their own systems. It was also done in conjunction with a group of aliens that the US government said would be part of the project to develop the time tunnel. We knew how to do time travel at that point but we did not know how to make a wormhole.
Paola: What year was this?
Bielek: Montauk became operational under the German control approximately in 1970 and became effective about 1976 until 1983.
Paola: I have to ask about the alien involvement. Do you know about the alien involvement or were you involved with the aliens?
Bielek: Montauk Point was called that because originally the Montauk Indians were there. They were kicked out by the U.S. Government about 1900. The Pyramids were torn down. I understand there were pyramids there. I understand that there are some people on the island who have pictures of it, but I have not seen it myself.
Paola: Have you seen the aliens?
Bielek: Yes, at Montauk.
Paola: What were they? The human-type aliens?
Bielek: No. They were a mixture of the human-type as well as some others from all over, including a Draco, who was in charge of some others.
Paola: A Draco; is that a Reptilian type?
Bielek: A particular species of alien who stands 7-feet tall. Some are winged; some are not. They are very heavy, about 450 pounds. They are very intelligent and the one who was there was in charge of other aliens. They had appeared on the Eldridge deck in 1943, when we ripped a hole through the fabric of space-time and became part of the collaboration on time travel technology. They said, “We can show you how to create this wormhole.”
Paola: Are you saying aliens were involved with building time travel technology? In what way?
Bielek: You can do that simultaneously. You can build the equipment; you can do that. “We will show you what to build and how to build it.”
Paola: What would be the benefit of their teaching us how to build time travel equipment? What would be the benefit for them? What would they get out of it?
Bielek: What they got out of it was that they told the government that: “We have our agenda. We wish to use the station when it is working properly. We wish to use it for our own agenda.” The government agreed with that. What “our own agenda” was happened on August 12, 1983, when they locked up with the Eldridge, or the ship they called the Eldridge and, on August 12, 1943, they threw a hole in space-time, forty-years wide, in which to let their own large ships through, because their ships were in a war with somebody else and they wanted to get through to this Universe.
Paola: So was it like tearing a hole in a dimension to let them through. Is that part of the Philadelphia experiment or is it a spin off? Did they know they were going to do that?
Bielek: They knew they were going to do that and they did it deliberately because they delayed the second test for the Philadelphia Experiment until August 12, 1943. It had to be on August 12th because the Earth has its own biorhythms – like the human biorhythms. They all peak out, like the Earth biorhythms peak out, all four of them. The Earth’s peak out on August 12th every twenty years; plus or minus half a day. That is, [the years] 1943, 1963, 1983, 2003, 2023 have a synchronizing effect on certain affairs and certain matters. In the case of August 12, 1983, we were conducting experiments; they were conducting the Montauk experiment. The two experiments synchronized and locked in. That was done very deliberately, not only to pull the Eldridge into Hyperspace, but in order to produce a sort of wormhole effect – to actually [cause] a breach in space-time large enough for the aliens’ ships to get through.
Paola: OK. You said “alien ships” plural, so there are different alien ships and brands of aliens who want to get through that hole?
Bielek: They could.
Paola: You don’t know which ones came through? You don’t know who was at war?
Bielek: I do not know. Possibly the government knew.
Paola: And this information came through to you as you supposedly were part of that project?
Bielek: Yes. We found out some of the missing links afterwards. We jumped off the ship; we wound up in 1983, on the territory of Montauk, and we were taken in to meet John von Neumann and some of the other people and they told us quite a bit of what was going on. They, themselves, did not [know about] the alien connection causing the breech in space-time but they knew the two experiments had locked up. Von Neumann told us that so we had to go back to the ship and destroy the equipment so the ship would return to its original starting point. We said, “We don’t know how we got here; how can you send us to the decks of the Eldridge?” They said, “No problem! We can take control over space-time. We can send you anyplace we want.”
Paola: The government said this?
Bielek: No. John von Neumann said that. They did; they sent us through the wormhole to the decks of the Eldridge.
Paola: They sent you through the wormhole?
Bielek: Duncan and Myself.
Harris: How does that feel? Is that just being here one minute and gone the next…?
Bielek: Well, we knew we were being propelled through something. There is a slight feeling when you are going through space-time. The first trip you make can be quite nauseating and after that you sort of get used to it.
Paola: You got dizzy and nauseated and that kind of thing? It is like traveling?
Bielek: Well, we knew we were being propelled through something. There is a slight feeling when you go through a wormhole. We were a little nauseated, not like the first time, but, in any case, we went back and we destroyed the equipment as directed and the ship returned to 1943 and we then saw the problem of the sailors buried in the steel deck and the bulkhead. Duncan took one look at this and he headed for the railing, jumped over and disappeared – and went back to Montauk in the 1980s and worked there and had some problems himself. But that was in the records we read later. After passage of normal time and Duncan no longer there, I became part of the Montauk Project at a later date. Much later, after they changed my identity from Ed Cameron to Al Bielek, because I was there on Montauk as Al Bielek.
Paola: In other words Al Bielek was Ted Cameron. Would not it be the other way around?
Bielek: They are both the same person. Except, in 1953, the Navy got tired of me and wanted to find some way of getting rid of me without killing me, because they knew it would cause enormous reactions and problems in terms of space-time; because they were afraid I had traveled so much in time that there would be a collapse in the space-time continuum in the period where I had been and I had gone through, so they decided they couldn’t do that. So they cooked up a plot to age-regress me; whitewash all my memories. [They regressed me to a] nine-month old kid and sent me back to another family in the past, to 1927, which were the Bieleks and those were the only parents I knew for many other years.
Paola: That is amazing! With this time travel thing, what would you say was the time, the dates that the government was working with time travel?
Paola: With the Nazis, right?
Bielek: The Nazi’s were working on it also but they never completely solved the problems. They solved the rest of them after they had been extracted from Germany, at the end of World War II, and brought to the United States under Operation Paperclip.
Paola: Those Paperclip guys did a lot of things, but Colonel Philip Corso had the feeling that the aliens at Roswell were from the future, coming back to warn us about nuclear power, and he believed that they were time travelers. He told me, “Paola, we have discovered a Time Machine!” But I never knew what he was talking about. But he did bring us material on the Philadelphia Experiment. Is there an occasion when somebody has changed the time-space continuum that you know of and history has changed?
Paola: Where would that be?
Bielek: I can think of two specific items. Number one: History says that the South lost the Civil War and they didn’t; they won it! It was changed later, by the use of the Montauk Project, or a different one, I am not sure. But they went back and changed history deliberately because I run into people who remember the fact that the South won the Civil War and some of the earlier textbooks said that; the Southerners believed that, even when I was in high school. The second thing that turned up is – how well do you remembering the era of the German Nazis, the Swastika? Which way did it point at the top? Which way did it appear to be rotating in your memory?
Paola: The right?
Bielek: It always used to point to the left. That was the Nazi symbol for years. It was a sacred symbol of certain Indians that they took and, of course, those tribes do not like that happening. They objected violently. It was adopted by the Nazi hierarchy and pointed to left. Now it points to the right and I saw it happen on TV and I could not believe what I was seeing, because it always pointed to left and suddenly it was pointing to the right. The textbooks have changed, and the monuments, or anything that showed the Nazi swastika, suddenly it is all pointing to the right. It changes everything, even symbolically.
Paola: Colonel Corso said that certain events in time have been changed and we are in an altered timeline.
Bielek: We operate and live on, what you might call, a timeline. The time field is actually a closed loop; it is a gigantic loop. If you go far enough forward in time, you will wind up crossing over and going into the past because it is a connecting link, so to speak, and it is a huge loop. I cannot describe it as something physically in space, but in terms of time, it is a huge loop. I do not know how many years are involved in it, but eventually [you will come to] the cross-over, plus or minus the infinity point, as it is called, [and] you are in the past, the very ancient past in the galactic history and, if you keep going forward, you will eventually come up to our present time. It can be navigated with the proper time-travel equipment. You can go forward or backwards. Some scientists today say maybe time travel forward is possible but it is not possible in reverse. That is absolute nonsense! If you look at the equations correctly, you will see that you can go either way.
Paola: You can go either way. What I asked you specifically though instead of just the swastika; is there an occasion like the death of Kennedy where he was alive and didn’t get killed or of some person being here that should not be here?
Bielek: Specifically, no. I think it happened.
Paola: What Colonel Corso said is: “They came once, in the Roswell incident.”
Bielek: There were two ships involved and the other disappeared, due to the radar system we had developed that was interfering with their navigation system.
Paola: But Corso said that he saw the ship ten years later, in 1957, in “Red Canyon,” in an encounter. What benefit is it for us to have time travel technology?
Bielek: That is a very good question. I don’t know as it has any real benefit.
Paola: It must, or they would not do it!
Bielek: It is a toy to certain government groups because they can use it to travel through time and change history. That is the principal reason it has been used. Of course, other travelers from the future have come into our time and in particular, The Wingmakers, out of the twenty-eighth century, and they have contributed some technology.
The premise is that a race of robots will come to the earth to take it over (the M51 group). Basically, if they, the scientists can take that point in time in which they [the robotic race] are about to discover the Earth and cloak the earth, as such, then the ship goes on by and doesn’t see it.
They also are experimenting with sound, as in the movie Stargate. All of that music was synthesized in a computer. No human voice, no real instruments; they even replicated a 36-foot-diameter, vast base drum, which does not exist now. I do not know if they have one in the future. All this was sent back and sent to the producers.
Paola: You said the benefit was to change history, but would it not be beneficial to tear another hole in space and create another situation that would benefit the aliens? Don’t they come through and travel through wormholes that go to other realities?
Bielek: That is possible. If the aliens were to come in and were knowledgeable about space-time, yes, they could rearrange some of our history for us that would make it more advantageous for themselves. I do not know which aliens have time travel technologies but I know the Pleiadians do. We created wormholes with Montauk but the Ancients already had wormholes, called ‘Stargates.’ This is all possible.
TIMELINE ON TIME TRAVEL
Details from the website of Al Bielik
Courtesy of www.philadelphia-experiment.com
The story begins in June of 1943, with the U.S.S. Eldridge, DE (Destroyer Escort) 173, being fitted with tons of experimental electronic equipment. This included (according to one source):
- two massive generators of 75 KVA each, mounted where the forward gun turret would have been, distributing their power through four magnetic coils mounted on the deck
- three RF transmitters (2 megawatt CW each, mounted on the deck)
- three thousand ‘6L6’ power amplifier tubes (used to drive the field coils of the two generators)
- special synchronizing and modulation circuits
- a host of other specialized hardware
These were employed to generate massive electromagnetic fields which, when properly configured, would be able to bend light and radio waves around the ship, thus making it invisible to enemy observers.
The experiment; said to have taken place at the Philadelphia Naval Yard and also at sea, took place on at least one occasion while in full view of the Merchant Marine Ship S.S. Andrew Furuseth and other observation ships. The Andrew Furuseth becomes significant because one of its crewmen is the source of most of the original material making up the PX legend. Carlos Allende, a.k.a. Carl Allen, wrote a series of strange letters to one Dr. Morris K. Jessup, in the 1950s, in which he described what he claims to have witnessed: at least one of the several phases of the Philadelphia Experiment. At 0900 hours, on July 22, 1943, so the story goes, the power to the generators was turned on, and the massive electromagnetic fields started to build up. A greenish fog was seen to slowly envelop the ship, concealing it from view. Then the fog itself is said to have disappeared, taking the Eldridge with it; leaving only undisturbed water where the ship had been anchored only moments before. The elite officers of the Navy and scientists involved gazed in awe at their greatest achievement: the ship and crew were not only radar invisible but invisible to the eye as well! Everything worked as planned, and about fifteen minutes later they ordered the men to shut down the generators. The greenish fog slowly reappeared and the Eldridge began to dematerialize as the fog subsided, but it was evident to all that something had gone wrong. When boarded by personnel from shore, the crew above deck was found to be disoriented and nauseous. The Navy removed the crew and, shortly after, obtained another.
In the end, the Navy decided that they only wanted radar invisibility, and the equipment was altered. On the October 28, 1943, at 17:15, the final test on the Eldridge was performed. The electromagnetic field generators were turned on again, and the Eldridge became near invisible; only a faint outline of the hull remained visible in the water. Everything was fine for the first few seconds; and then, in a blinding blue flash, the ship completely vanished. Within seconds it reappeared, miles away, in Norfolk, Virginia, and was seen for several minutes. The Eldridge then disappeared from Norfolk, as mysteriously as it had arrived, and reappeared back in Philadelphia Naval Yard. This time, most of the sailors were violently sick. Some of the crew was simply missing, never to return.
Some went crazy, but, strangest of all, five men were fused to the metal in the ship’s structure. The men that survived were never the same again. Those that lived were discharged as ‘mentally unfit’ for duty, regardless of their true condition. So, what had begun as an experiment in electronic camouflage, ended up as an accidental teleportation of an entire ship and crew, to a distant location and back again, all in a matter of minutes! Although the above may seem fantastic, one must remember, that in the 1940s the atomic bomb was also being invented.
TIMELINE for Ed Cameron-Al Bielek
1916: Birth date for Ed Cameron. Al Bielek is the regressed essence of Ed Cameron.
1927: Birth date of Al Bielek. Al’s first memories are at Christmas, when he was one year old, and his understanding of all the conversation.
1943: August 13, 1943 – Date of the Philadelphia Experiment. When Ed and Duncan Cameron jump off the U.S.S. Eldridge, they both land in the year 2137.
1953: Final year of Ed Cameron’s linear experience. Ed knew too much and irritated Dr Edward Teller. A group of three voted Ed off the Atomic Bomb project and ultimately out of existence as Ed Cameron. is regressed to Al Bielek to the year 1927.
1983: Ed and Duncan Cameron find themselves at Montauk in 1983, after spending six weeks in 2137. Dr. John Von Neumann greets the two and convinces them to time travel back to the U.S.S. Eldridge in 1943, to destroy the control equipment and shut the experiment down.
1970 – 1988: Al is recruited to work at Montauk. He keeps the guise of his regular job as an electronics contractor, but works in an altered state at Montauk. He was a program manager for the Montauk Boys program, participated in the mind control experiments, and actively participated in time travel projects.
1988: His memories returned and he believes he was not used any further at Montauk.
2000-2005: Currently, Al Bielek speaks publicly about his involvement at Montauk and the Philadelphia Experiment. Al has been on over 50 radio talk shows and a featured presenter at over 40 conferences.
2137: After Ed and Duncan jumped off the U.S.S. Eldridge in 1943; they landed in the year 2137. They both spent six weeks in a hospital bed recovering from radiation burns suffered from being in hyperspace. Toward the end of their stay in hospital, Ed is moved, by means unknown to him, to the year 2749.
2751: After two years, Ed goes back to the year 2137.
Courtesy of www.philadelphia-experiment.com